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YourBlueFever Member

 Number of posts: 8 Age: 20 Location: We're all here somewhere. Job/hobbies: It's all the same. Music, reading, writing, enjoying. Interests: David Duchovny. Registration date: 2009-06-29
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:55 pm | |
| Who gives a shit whether God is real or not? There are plenty of human theories that people have been using as excuses since the beginning of human opinion to cause war and turmoil. Human beings are selfish. Perhaps this is because we only have knowledge of ever living one life. Perhaps this is because as far as our memory goes back, we can only recall our own experiences and recall the faults and accomplishments we make as the one person we've been our whole lives. We only experience loss, pain, acceptance, joy, glory, power through our own eyes. So, we live for ourselves and our own existence. I think that God, or whatever is out there. I think I may also have taken millions of years to form through evolution. Or maybe someone did just pull out a rib of Adam and call Eve woman and through lots of inbreeding and mutations caused me? I'm not a scientist. I believe that there is too much out there for scientists to ever know exactly what happened. I don't think it matters. I know that I'm selfish. I know that I'm human. I live for myself. That doesn't mean I try to be mean to others or put others at fault. Maybe I'd even sacrafice my life for someone else's, but it's in the decision of only MY mind, and no one else's. In consideration that I've only ever woken up to see my own face in the mirror and no one else's yet, I'm going to live my life. If there's something else out there, well, that'd be just wonderful. Do I pray to God? Yes. Do I have doubts? Yes. Does Heaven exist? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe something totally out of spectrum, that the selfish human mind can not even imagine in such terms. I don't know. |
|  | | JakeTheSnake Junior Moderator

 Number of posts: 728 Age: 17 Registration date: 2008-06-27
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:56 pm | |
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|  | | Spishnittlestick Member

 Number of posts: 1103 Age: 17 Location: Alexandria Bay, NY Job/hobbies: I scoop ice cream. Fortunately, I'm also an artist, musician, and writer :) Interests: Art, Music, Technology, Veganism, Straight Edge Registration date: 2008-06-27
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:41 pm | |
| I actually love this comedian  I've seen some of his other work too  I've been an atheist for years now, I won't have it any other way. I consider myself a "free-thinker." I'm also a bit of a naturalist. I wrote a research paper on William Cullen Bryant if any of you care to read it. Oh, and for those of you that remember me, it looks like I'm back xD YourBlueFevor, it's an excellent response, and I look forward to getting to know you better. Just keep doing your own thing, but you seem like a free thinker too xD The final step for me was just reading a book. There are countless atheist philosophies. Try The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins or The End Of Faith by Sam Harris. I learned a lot about science in The Selfish Gene by Dawkins, that's what explained the "creation" of the Earth to me, and that's what made me really think. I'm also a BIG fan of the unsigned band Amplexus (Latin for "embrace.") You can find them here: myspace.com/amplexusrock . Anyway, they have a song called "A Sleepwalking Atheist" and it's excellent. Amplexus has brilliant, astonishing lyrics that try to get people to "wake up" and become something better. I'll actually post the lyrics here: Don't you trust that wicked lie (THEY SELL FOR FREE) Human hangers are just nature's novelty. I'll protect you make good with all I have (WE WONT LOSE THIS FIGHT) I'll remind you Here is the truth Your mirror is the falsest god you'll ever know. It has no soul and envies the pulse beneath your throat. But gods they die slow Before we commit deicide Trust your eyes And I will not let you fall. It's not fair in the way that you judge yourself They parade bones and skin on the cover page. If we have to choose deicide (IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED) God is biting the curb. Just say the word and I'll dance through glass, Cut through the pain to show you how it teaches resolve, I wont let them hollow out your hope But gods die slow Before we commit deicide Trust your eyes And I will not let you Fall despite where you might jump from. Gods will fall before I let you disappear inside this syndrome (I've COME FOR YOUR BLOOD) Idols made of conceit will meet their end. I've climbed through the skies And I stand here before you Have you not heard me pleading? This is the way this story ends So I've come for your blood And whatever else there is I'm not taking your jive this is deicide, Yeah, your gonna pay for your wicked tongue, Bleed you till your bone dry. The premise is that we are now worshipping superficiality, and that needs to be stopped in order for us to advance. I love them so much xD _________________ If I Ruled The World, I'd Destroy All Mankind. If I Were King For A Day I'd Betcha There Was No Tomorrow
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|  | | Cjanz Admin

 Number of posts: 1420 Job/hobbies: Reading, research, writing music, relaxation, pondering life, becoming self-aware Interests: Music in general, literature, technology, the human psyche, freedom Registration date: 2008-06-20
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:40 pm | |
| | YourBlueFever wrote: | Who gives a shit whether God is real or not?
There are plenty of human theories that people have been using as excuses since the beginning of human opinion to cause war and turmoil.
Human beings are selfish. Perhaps this is because we only have knowledge of ever living one life. Perhaps this is because as far as our memory goes back, we can only recall our own experiences and recall the faults and accomplishments we make as the one person we've been our whole lives. We only experience loss, pain, acceptance, joy, glory, power through our own eyes. So, we live for ourselves and our own existence.
I think that God, or whatever is out there. I think I may also have taken millions of years to form through evolution. Or maybe someone did just pull out a rib of Adam and call Eve woman and through lots of inbreeding and mutations caused me?
I'm not a scientist. I believe that there is too much out there for scientists to ever know exactly what happened. I don't think it matters. I know that I'm selfish. I know that I'm human. I live for myself. That doesn't mean I try to be mean to others or put others at fault. Maybe I'd even sacrafice my life for someone else's, but it's in the decision of only MY mind, and no one else's. In consideration that I've only ever woken up to see my own face in the mirror and no one else's yet, I'm going to live my life. If there's something else out there, well, that'd be just wonderful.
Do I pray to God? Yes. Do I have doubts? Yes. Does Heaven exist? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe something totally out of spectrum, that the selfish human mind can not even imagine in such terms. I don't know. |
Your outlook is kind of a mixture retaining elements from the non-religious and religious alike. It's refreshing that someone who chooses to believe in God is not afraid to defend their position in a respectful manner.
Though, unlike you, I am an atheist, the most important thing to remember (as you said) is that we're all living for ourselves. That belief comes before any other, and should be paramount to any gesture emulated by the church or other institutions. |
|  | | Donald Williams Admin

 Number of posts: 1693 Location: The Great Plains Job/hobbies: Swimming, Having time with friends, my pets, spending time in my treehouse, reading, and definitely writing Interests: Life, Writing, Women ;), History, Debate. Registration date: 2008-06-20
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:49 am | |
| | Cjanz wrote: | | YourBlueFever wrote: | Who gives a shit whether God is real or not?
There are plenty of human theories that people have been using as excuses since the beginning of human opinion to cause war and turmoil.
Human beings are selfish. Perhaps this is because we only have knowledge of ever living one life. Perhaps this is because as far as our memory goes back, we can only recall our own experiences and recall the faults and accomplishments we make as the one person we've been our whole lives. We only experience loss, pain, acceptance, joy, glory, power through our own eyes. So, we live for ourselves and our own existence.
I think that God, or whatever is out there. I think I may also have taken millions of years to form through evolution. Or maybe someone did just pull out a rib of Adam and call Eve woman and through lots of inbreeding and mutations caused me?
I'm not a scientist. I believe that there is too much out there for scientists to ever know exactly what happened. I don't think it matters. I know that I'm selfish. I know that I'm human. I live for myself. That doesn't mean I try to be mean to others or put others at fault. Maybe I'd even sacrafice my life for someone else's, but it's in the decision of only MY mind, and no one else's. In consideration that I've only ever woken up to see my own face in the mirror and no one else's yet, I'm going to live my life. If there's something else out there, well, that'd be just wonderful.
Do I pray to God? Yes. Do I have doubts? Yes. Does Heaven exist? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe something totally out of spectrum, that the selfish human mind can not even imagine in such terms. I don't know. |
Your outlook is kind of a mixture retaining elements from the non-religious and religious alike. It's refreshing that someone who chooses to believe in God is not afraid to defend their position in a respectful manner.
Though, unlike you, I am an atheist, the most important thing to remember (as you said) is that we're all living for ourselves. That belief comes before any other, and should be paramount to any gesture emulated by the church or other institutions. |
Many churches would be angry to hear that life is for the individual, many stand beside the fact that life should be for the will of god. I kind of hit a wall on that issue with a pastor of mine one time.._________________  The dawn will come upon a new day, hope will kindle upon a reverie. Never stifle your dreams for the fear of difference, or relinquish a fantasy with the dread of defeat. Though you may have wandered, though you may have fell, a new beginning can always commence upon the dawn of a new day. |
|  | | Spishnittlestick Member

 Number of posts: 1103 Age: 17 Location: Alexandria Bay, NY Job/hobbies: I scoop ice cream. Fortunately, I'm also an artist, musician, and writer :) Interests: Art, Music, Technology, Veganism, Straight Edge Registration date: 2008-06-27
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:14 am | |
| | Donald Williams wrote: | | Cjanz wrote: | | YourBlueFever wrote: | Who gives a shit whether God is real or not?
There are plenty of human theories that people have been using as excuses since the beginning of human opinion to cause war and turmoil.
Human beings are selfish. Perhaps this is because we only have knowledge of ever living one life. Perhaps this is because as far as our memory goes back, we can only recall our own experiences and recall the faults and accomplishments we make as the one person we've been our whole lives. We only experience loss, pain, acceptance, joy, glory, power through our own eyes. So, we live for ourselves and our own existence.
I think that God, or whatever is out there. I think I may also have taken millions of years to form through evolution. Or maybe someone did just pull out a rib of Adam and call Eve woman and through lots of inbreeding and mutations caused me?
I'm not a scientist. I believe that there is too much out there for scientists to ever know exactly what happened. I don't think it matters. I know that I'm selfish. I know that I'm human. I live for myself. That doesn't mean I try to be mean to others or put others at fault. Maybe I'd even sacrafice my life for someone else's, but it's in the decision of only MY mind, and no one else's. In consideration that I've only ever woken up to see my own face in the mirror and no one else's yet, I'm going to live my life. If there's something else out there, well, that'd be just wonderful.
Do I pray to God? Yes. Do I have doubts? Yes. Does Heaven exist? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe something totally out of spectrum, that the selfish human mind can not even imagine in such terms. I don't know. |
Your outlook is kind of a mixture retaining elements from the non-religious and religious alike. It's refreshing that someone who chooses to believe in God is not afraid to defend their position in a respectful manner.
Though, unlike you, I am an atheist, the most important thing to remember (as you said) is that we're all living for ourselves. That belief comes before any other, and should be paramount to any gesture emulated by the church or other institutions. |
Many churches would be angry to hear that life is for the individual, many stand beside the fact that life should be for the will of god. I kind of hit a wall on that issue with a pastor of mine one time.. |
Oh, I know.
I hate hearing the following lines:
"If God wills it ... "
"Everything happens for a reason ... "
"I guess it was meant to be this way."
People are so far removed from their own lives ... I live for me, and I refuse to let any deity rule my life. I'm a human being, I was certainly not meant to be governed by a non-existent being. Marilyn Manson covered with his line "I'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist." I am free, and I make these choices in my life for me, and for humanity. Not out of fear for Hell, not out of hope for being rewarded, but because I truly care about making a difference in my life and the lives of others.
I asked a devout Christian (And one of my best and brightest friends) if he could agree with me that there was no such thing as "Utopia." Of course, he did. Then I politely asked what the idea of Heaven was, because it certainly sounds like "Utopia" to me. He argued that his interpretation was just life in the garden before the consumption of the apple. Before sin.
Because, of course, knowledge is sin. [sarcasm]
I kept that part to myself, though.
My friend Ross was speaking to me about the subject. This guy was the biggest part in helping me realize that I truly was an atheist at heart, haha. He and I have regular discussions because he is truly brilliant. He just said something like [paraphrasing] "I don't understand how someone could claim inferiority for not only a lifetime, but an everlasting afterlife, to a selfish God, forever praising him ... and call it 'Heaven.' That's surely closer to my idea of Hell." _________________ If I Ruled The World, I'd Destroy All Mankind. If I Were King For A Day I'd Betcha There Was No Tomorrow
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|  | | fuzzy Member

 Number of posts: 448 Age: 17 Location: Crusader land Job/hobbies: Building computers Interests: Computers/Religion Registration date: 2008-07-03
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:48 am | |
| Winnar _________________ Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. -Jesse Ventura  ^This is my home internet connection. Suck it.^ |
|  | | VioletVenom Global Moderator

 Number of posts: 830 Age: 17 Location: The deep sulphuric pits of California Interests: guitar, synth, modding, forum lurking, sleeping, nature. Registration date: 2008-06-23
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:59 am | |
| I think there is a possibility of higher etheral beings but not one entirely powerful omnipotent one. (Or else wouldn't he eradicate pain and suffering? /shrug) Either way we can't judge until we die. _________________ Behold... |
|  | | JakeTheSnake Junior Moderator

 Number of posts: 728 Age: 17 Registration date: 2008-06-27
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:08 pm | |
| Or you know if their is a God he likes messing with people that's why he made Earth...wouldn't that just suck. _________________ | Donald Williams wrote: | | Jake is the epitome of cool. |
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|  | | Donald Williams Admin

 Number of posts: 1693 Location: The Great Plains Job/hobbies: Swimming, Having time with friends, my pets, spending time in my treehouse, reading, and definitely writing Interests: Life, Writing, Women ;), History, Debate. Registration date: 2008-06-20
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:17 pm | |
| FSM.  _________________  The dawn will come upon a new day, hope will kindle upon a reverie. Never stifle your dreams for the fear of difference, or relinquish a fantasy with the dread of defeat. Though you may have wandered, though you may have fell, a new beginning can always commence upon the dawn of a new day. |
|  | | kissthezombie Member

 Number of posts: 297 Age: 15 Location: neverland Interests: music! unicorns, reading, writing, and daydreaming Registration date: 2009-07-15
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:18 pm | |
| Well I don't care what anybody says. God is real. Deny him? (Go ahead) He forgives whenever you ask. You want proof Jesus lived?! Alrighty then. There is proof! Many people disliked Jesus when he lived. These people dispised him so much, they wrote about him! They made scrolls. Full of what Jesus did. I respect other religions and Atheist too. I much rather you be honest than be a hypocrite and lie about your faith. In the end we will see who was faithful and who wasn't. (Good Luck!) |
|  | | kissthezombie Member

 Number of posts: 297 Age: 15 Location: neverland Interests: music! unicorns, reading, writing, and daydreaming Registration date: 2009-07-15
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:20 pm | |
| | VioletVenom wrote: | I think there is a possibility of higher etheral beings but not one entirely powerful omnipotent one.
(Or else wouldn't he eradicate pain and suffering? /shrug)
Either way we can't judge until we die. |
Well we bring on pain and suffering ourselves. God doesnt make a war or shoot a gun. A human does. We are responsible for what is happening |
|  | | kissthezombie Member

 Number of posts: 297 Age: 15 Location: neverland Interests: music! unicorns, reading, writing, and daydreaming Registration date: 2009-07-15
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:26 pm | |
| | Spishnittlestick wrote: | | Donald Williams wrote: | | Cjanz wrote: | | YourBlueFever wrote: | Who gives a shit whether God is real or not?
There are plenty of human theories that people have been using as excuses since the beginning of human opinion to cause war and turmoil.
Human beings are selfish. Perhaps this is because we only have knowledge of ever living one life. Perhaps this is because as far as our memory goes back, we can only recall our own experiences and recall the faults and accomplishments we make as the one person we've been our whole lives. We only experience loss, pain, acceptance, joy, glory, power through our own eyes. So, we live for ourselves and our own existence.
I think that God, or whatever is out there. I think I may also have taken millions of years to form through evolution. Or maybe someone did just pull out a rib of Adam and call Eve woman and through lots of inbreeding and mutations caused me?
I'm not a scientist. I believe that there is too much out there for scientists to ever know exactly what happened. I don't think it matters. I know that I'm selfish. I know that I'm human. I live for myself. That doesn't mean I try to be mean to others or put others at fault. Maybe I'd even sacrafice my life for someone else's, but it's in the decision of only MY mind, and no one else's. In consideration that I've only ever woken up to see my own face in the mirror and no one else's yet, I'm going to live my life. If there's something else out there, well, that'd be just wonderful.
Do I pray to God? Yes. Do I have doubts? Yes. Does Heaven exist? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe something totally out of spectrum, that the selfish human mind can not even imagine in such terms. I don't know. |
Your outlook is kind of a mixture retaining elements from the non-religious and religious alike. It's refreshing that someone who chooses to believe in God is not afraid to defend their position in a respectful manner.
Though, unlike you, I am an atheist, the most important thing to remember (as you said) is that we're all living for ourselves. That belief comes before any other, and should be paramount to any gesture emulated by the church or other institutions. |
Many churches would be angry to hear that life is for the individual, many stand beside the fact that life should be for the will of god. I kind of hit a wall on that issue with a pastor of mine one time.. |
Oh, I know.
I hate hearing the following lines:
"If God wills it ... "
"Everything happens for a reason ... "
"I guess it was meant to be this way."
People are so far removed from their own lives ... I live for me, and I refuse to let any deity rule my life. I'm a human being, I was certainly not meant to be governed by a non-existent being. Marilyn Manson covered with his line "I'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist." I am free, and I make these choices in my life for me, and for humanity. Not out of fear for Hell, not out of hope for being rewarded, but because I truly care about making a difference in my life and the lives of others.
I asked a devout Christian (And one of my best and brightest friends) if he could agree with me that there was no such thing as "Utopia." Of course, he did. Then I politely asked what the idea of Heaven was, because it certainly sounds like "Utopia" to me. He argued that his interpretation was just life in the garden before the consumption of the apple. Before sin.
Because, of course, knowledge is sin. [sarcasm]
I kept that part to myself, though.
My friend Ross was speaking to me about the subject. This guy was the biggest part in helping me realize that I truly was an atheist at heart, haha. He and I have regular discussions because he is truly brilliant. He just said something like [paraphrasing] "I don't understand how someone could claim inferiority for not only a lifetime, but an everlasting afterlife, to a selfish God, forever praising him ... and call it 'Heaven.' That's surely closer to my idea of Hell." |
haha....Marilyn Manson. Of course the guy would say that! But in case you didn't know God doesn't try to rule you. He does the complete opposite. He let's you make good and bad choices. Do you honestly think if God were to rule over you he would let you say what it is you were saying? (No, of course not.) |
|  | | Cjanz Admin

 Number of posts: 1420 Job/hobbies: Reading, research, writing music, relaxation, pondering life, becoming self-aware Interests: Music in general, literature, technology, the human psyche, freedom Registration date: 2008-06-20
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:34 pm | |
| Hi, zombie, I think it's great that you have all this input, but let's try to avoid too many posts in a row. I'd appreciate it.  _________________  
The sun no longer sets me free. |
|  | | fuzzy Member

 Number of posts: 448 Age: 17 Location: Crusader land Job/hobbies: Building computers Interests: Computers/Religion Registration date: 2008-07-03
 | Subject: Re: gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it) Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:36 pm | |
| Yall fucked up... Nice job of claiming evidence and shit... but no presentation of evidence. Just claims and other bullshit lies _________________ Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. -Jesse Ventura  ^This is my home internet connection. Suck it.^ |
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