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Post by Spishnittlestick on Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:28 pm

Which is your favorite? What is the most practical? What are the faults with our present system?

I am anti-capitalist.

What do you guys think?
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Post by VioletVenom on Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:31 am

This is a part of another post I made but it is relevant to this thread as well.



People work to survive, not just buy things we don't need. I have more problems with "the american dream"...this false heroic mentality that doesn't just apply to America anymore. When The American Dream was conceived we were perhaps the only country that was incredibly stable, stable enough to become an entrepenuer from scratch and build your way to the top. It's a false ideal. Most people do not amount to anything more than an office job or a blue collar job. We are not the only country you can start a successful business in either.


Anywho, I'm not an expert on economics BUT I do think capitalism can be successful if executed correctly - something we did NOT do - at least fully. We are successful but many people suffer without health coverage and too many corporations, (***HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES!!***) are focused on making a buck rather than protecting citizens.

From what I can infer, I think mixed economics between socialism and capitalism is probably the most secure form of running an economy. But again, it truly depends on whoever is elected into power. Tax funded healthcare, (for example), but privitisation of business. There still needs to be an incentive to work. There are still questions though - what if someone is unemployed and cannot contribute income tax? If I am correct in countries where universal healthcare is present you have to give evidence to the government that you are consciously trying to look for a job to still have benefits of going to the doctors for free. I COULD be wrong about this but I read it on a forum once from a guy who lived in Belgium.


Even though my morals are totally subjective, I think everybody should pay an equal percentage of taxes so nobody gets too rich. This "cutting taxes for the rich" scheme is more than idiotic - the goal is to lessen tax burden upon business owners and to allow more freedom with ones' money. Problem is with the very rich most of that money is pocketed/not spent and not all rich people are business owners. Thus, leading to it not getting circulated back into the economy unlike if you give it to people who really NEED the money they will spend it.


There needs to be freedom in the markets - but without any sort of interference or regulation when corporations do not have honest intentions will ultimately lead to failure.
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Post by Spishnittlestick on Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:53 am

I see your point, Melly, but still, I'm very anti-capitalist.

On the American Dream, you're very right. It's no longer unique to America, though it still maintains its title due to blind patriotism and the image portayed by the wealthy elite and successful entrepreneur. It's images of these people that are paraded on the cover page, giving a false hope to an aspiring business owner.

It's becoming increasingly difficult for private business to compete with the corporation.

Walmart.
McDonalds.
Burger King.
Best Buy.
etc ...

How many of these haven't you heard of? The problem with corporations and widespread franchises is that it deprives our country of its original character. Our country is becoming increasingly homogenized .. each town has elements from the list above, where mom & pop businesses suffer and disappear in the face of these colossal corporations. It's the mom and pop joints that really care for the customer, not the profit [usually], and it's these that are disappearing at an alarming rate.

Now, I don't remember the exact figures, so I'll speak generally. Corporations only take up a fraction of the businesses in our country ... but bring in a clear majority of overall profits.

In our capitalist system, money is virtually essential for life, but the concept is that once we are free from money, we may be free from greed. THen we may be free from virtually all crimes.

Our system motivates greed, as we all toil for money, and assess our own worth based on that which we earn monetarily.
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Post by VioletVenom on Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:32 am

Most small businesses care about the profit but do not exploit the labour of people unluckily living in a third world country. These brands are *kind of* dissapearing - the label is bought out and then the products get sold within these corporations.


I do agree having big corporations isn't correct - we use too many people from less fortunate countries, which then end up getting intertwined with politics, and blah XD. And people get too rich thus all sorts of greedy manuevers ensue. I guess you could compare it to social darwinism, in a way.


I think money is essential for all life to survive, whatever economic system you live in. And people will never be free from money or greed - it's a nice thing to dream about though. The mentality about getting rich needs to reform itself, for every person on the planet.
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Post by JakeTheSnake on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:10 pm

I don't think I've heard the term American Dream apply to anything but the 50s but I digress...The best form of Government is the various Native American governments.


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Post by VioletVenom on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:20 pm

The term is used in political campaigns all the time. Not to mention if you ever hear a ceo talk about their successes they always call it, "I've lived the American Dream..." etc.
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Post by JakeTheSnake on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:27 pm

I always thought it was a stupid term anyways...their has never been an "American Dream" anyways. Real history shows how hard it was for an immigrant to reach even middle class society in the early 1900s when I assume the term was coined. It's just propaganda like usual to make our country seem better than every other one. I always felt patriotisim was kind of a stupid concenpt. It's like if someone asked me if I was proud to be an American I'd be like I didn't have a lot to do with it you know..my parents concieved. here that all. I was in the spirit realm than whispering"do it in Paris, do it in Paris" but they didn't and here I am...yeah I'm starting to ramble so I'll leave it at that lol.

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